well ....next ....thanks Gerry bellett for his contact better brakes at southport wayne .what a champion of a bloke ..just picked up the rear alfin drums ...skimmed and sandblasted......and new shoes (not doc martins ) and the wheel cylinders resleeved and kitted or whatever that means so now the back end is right will take of the front discs and survey the situation the rear brakes inclusive was $250 I thought that was very reasonable ...just keep ticking the list ...anyone want any brake work let me know or Gerry cheers davo