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Author:  pa_man [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:34 am ]
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Hi everyone :D
Was finding bits to tidy up the dash on the wasp and hopefully get all the gauges working when I came across this ( pic below )
Its out of an early series bellett and to me looks to be original Km/h.....Is that possible :geek:
Reading the workshop manual it looks like Japanese Cars were Km/h
Did any make it to Australia or is this a mock up :ugeek:
Josh

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Author:  Glenn [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:16 am ]
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I have no idea really. Not Yazaki though.
Author:  dave [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:38 am ]
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I remember reading in an early road test that the journos had been a bit thrown by the km/h speedo fitted to the test car... of course this was at a time when we were still well and truly in miles.

But I don't know how many cars came to Australia with those dials; possibly only the test car, perhaps an initial batch, although Gary's 1964 has a mph speedo, I'm pretty sure.

I will check my Wasp gauge, which is definitely in miles, and see how it compares to that one.
Author:  pa_man [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:52 am ]
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Yours is a Yazaki Dave which is most common.
Stranger is I just had a look at my wasp and both are marked Toyo Meter and the speedo has been converted to Km/h.
I searched the forum and there was a reference to another wasp with Toyo Gauge but as to Km/h.......no clue!
Whats worse the workshop manual describes a change in 65.
Josh
Author:  KJB [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:06 am ]
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My Wasp speedo is Toyo Clock and is Imperial - max. 100 mph.
KB
Author:  pa_man [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:45 am ]
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Thanks KB
To me it looks like Toyo Clock were early 64/65 and in that same period Yazaki were being phased in!!
Hence both types apearing accross that time!
As for the Km/h, it looks original and by the sounds of it a bit unusual!
Josh
Author:  gt orphanage [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:01 am ]
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Just to confuse things 8-)
i have a pr90 speedo 120 mph no yazaki or toyo name :?: no name brand
i have 2 others sedan early no name 100mph
i have 2 with sedan early with yazaki below warning lights
another early with yazaki above the milage
The race car no name
there is three cars behind the shed a wasp and 2 sedans i will look tomorrow if the snake is happy :)
Lizzies race car i :)has a after market metric conversion but it is obvios after market.
Author:  pa_man [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:24 pm ]
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Thanks for that :D
WOW seem to be no end of combinations. :geek:
Just pulled the last one out of the shed and its a Yazaki (Bottom of the gauge)
Even MORE Confusing my wasp Speedo and Cluster are both Toyo Clock, the dash the Toyo Km/h speedo came out of had the Yazaki Cluster :roll:
Ultimately the Issue was the temp gauge on my Wasp isnt working and was trying to organise to get the gauge working :(
The problem being the terminals on the Toyo cluster is different from the Yazaki and I think its wired wrong :shock:
I was hoping to identify the terminals without removing it......but even the 66 workshop only show the terminal positions for the Yazaki cluster :roll:
Josh
Author:  gt orphanage [ Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:32 pm ]
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if you earth the wire to the sender to earth with the key it will go to full hot if not the gauge may be a issue :?: if you swap the power and wire to earth and it works it was wired wrong :?: if it still does not work gauge needs repair or replacing you realy have nothing to loose if you experiment in the above order.
Author:  pa_man [ Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:24 am ]
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Tried those test, Unfortunately there should be 4 leads connected to the cluster but only three seem to be! :geek:
Fuel gauge works but I also reckon the earthing to the case of the cluster is not good. :o
The other problem is I cant just change the cluster as the earlier fuel gauge works in reverse to the Yazaki and also the Yazaki gauges require a voltage regulator :ugeek:
So I reckon removal seems to be required to bench test it :ugeek:
The VDO will have to stay a little longer :)
Josh
Author:  PR91 [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:15 am ]
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both of my Wasp's are Toyo Clock'd in MPH, ala KJB's.
every other one i've seen amounst us is the same, so yours is the rarity.
i'd hazard a guess that yours has been replaced with that KMH one at some stage.

i know some very early sedan's had Toyo's in them and have seen a few around in the past, especially deluxe's, but Yazaki's are the common type in the ones we got.
and again, in MPH.

cheers.
Author:  dave [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:11 am ]
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Yeah as you already know, mine is a Yazaki gauge.

Here it is earlier in the year ticking over from 99,999 to 00,000!!!

According to 'Dave' who now owns Bruce A Ruston Signs... when they sold it, it had ticked over 9 times, so that should theoretically make this an unproven MILLION!

Cheers,

Dave

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Author:  Farmer [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:17 am ]
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Hi Josh, just to add my experience, all Wasps I have known have been Toyo Clock. I have one (only) spare guage cluster, if your guage doesn't work.
I reckon that km/h speedo is a genuine JDM Wasp one. SO very rare!

Cheers, Matt.
Author:  pa_man [ Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:32 pm ]
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Thanks PR91 and Dave,
I greatly appreciate the offer Matt, But ultimately i can use one of the spare Yazaki's and just change the temp part of the cluster,
It just means drilling the back of the Cluster, putting in a voltage dropping resister between the fuel and temp gauge and changing the sender! :geek:
BUT if yours is an original Toyo Clock cluster I would be very much appreciate a photo of the back :ugeek:
Josh
Author:  Farmer [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:48 am ]
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It is Toyo Clock. I can do that, might just need a day or two to go for a dig.
Cheers, Matt.
Author:  pa_man [ Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:51 am ]
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A BIG Thank you Matt, there is no hurry :D
Josh
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