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1963 Tokyo Motor Show, Bellett ROTARY engine
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Glenn
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 2:23 am Posts: 2823 Location: Melb.
Car(s): '72 Sport Bellett (imported 180912), M/B AMG A35, i30, had Belletts in past, 2 sed, 3 GT's.
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Not sure if this has been shown before but at the 63 Tokyo show they had a Bellett Rotary engine and obviously Bellett gearbox on show. It was intended to go in the Bellell. I have a scan of the article also and will upload asap.
NOTE, they call the Carby a Mitachi whereas we think its 'Hitachi' ?
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:23 pm |
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oz_toffa
Joined: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:16 am Posts: 1157 Location: Adelaide north near the hills.
Car(s): Roman Red 1965 Sedan, Mint 67 Sedan Auto, 1967 GT , 1.5x 1967 sedans, 1968 Deluxe Sedan, 1965 Wasp Ute (Resto project)
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well i never knew they considered that.
the fan also looks very familiar too
OZ
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:25 pm |
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Glenn
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 2:23 am Posts: 2823 Location: Melb.
Car(s): '72 Sport Bellett (imported 180912), M/B AMG A35, i30, had Belletts in past, 2 sed, 3 GT's.
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text, hope its readable
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rotary-1.jpg [ 45.77 KiB | Viewed 33559 times ]
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:33 pm |
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gt orphanage
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:23 am Posts: 1816
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I will talk to fast64s when he returns from O/S he has the full story on the guy that designed the rotary [not known or related to the mazda design] that Isuzu was in negotiation with the designer of the rotary engine but Isuzu would not commit to the designers requests. It was later that he was employed to assist with the design that mazda uses today to correct their faults after being accused of copying the design years earlier. I will find the name of the book it was mentioned in. If I recall it had something to do with to do with kokoda.
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Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:46 am |
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dave
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:15 am Posts: 1991
Car(s): 1965 Wasp, 1966 Bellett, 1967 Bellett, 1969 Florian, 1973 Bellett GTR, 1976 Buick Opel by Isuzu, 1978 Gemini van
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That's insane Glenn! INSANE!
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Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:39 pm |
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oz_toffa
Joined: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:16 am Posts: 1157 Location: Adelaide north near the hills.
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all the more info on this story, all the better. amazing that they decided to design their own rotary engine.
bring it on GTorph.
OZ
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Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:44 pm |
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gt orphanage
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:23 am Posts: 1816
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They tried to buy the design I believe If I recall they were asked to leave the design in Japan and Isuzu could not make this commitment I will follow up with Glenn when he is home.
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Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:13 pm |
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Glenn
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 2:23 am Posts: 2823 Location: Melb.
Car(s): '72 Sport Bellett (imported 180912), M/B AMG A35, i30, had Belletts in past, 2 sed, 3 GT's.
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oz_toffa wrote: all the more info on this story, all the better. amazing that they decided to design their own rotary engine.
bring it on GTorph.
OZ The article is a bit longer but talks of other cars. No more Bellett/rotary engine detail. Mybe it sets a precedent for retro fitting a rotary into a Bellett Just put Isuzu on it and the engineer will be happy.
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Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:12 am |
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Glenn
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 2:23 am Posts: 2823 Location: Melb.
Car(s): '72 Sport Bellett (imported 180912), M/B AMG A35, i30, had Belletts in past, 2 sed, 3 GT's.
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here's the rest of the article.
check the Toyota Corona Sports on lst page
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Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:18 am |
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Stickman
Joined: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:29 pm Posts: 1524 Location: Kallangur, Brisbane QLD
Car(s): 3x1965 PR20(Donkey, Jenny n Bundy) 1 1969 PR20(Percy) 2 1968 PR20(Eugine n GT Donor) 1 1968 PR91 GT, 1 1965 Wasp
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The Mitsubishi Colt Debonair looks a bit like a shrunk down version of a Lincoln Continental and the Corona Sports is similar to the early Silvia
Awesome pics Glenn
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Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:57 am |
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dave
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:15 am Posts: 1991
Car(s): 1965 Wasp, 1966 Bellett, 1967 Bellett, 1969 Florian, 1973 Bellett GTR, 1976 Buick Opel by Isuzu, 1978 Gemini van
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OOOHhhhhh so timely, I've been working on an article for Garage of Awesome about three Japanese sports coupes that should have been made in numbers... and weren't!
I've finished the first entry; the Hino Contessa 900 Sprint, the second section was going to be on the Bellett MX1600 and the third section on the Prince Skyline 1900 Sprint, but there aren't many pics of it across the Internet.
And then this came up! CHEERS!
Don't hold your breath on the article though!
Dave
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Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:29 am |
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degruch
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:50 am Posts: 774
Car(s): Peugeot 206 GTi 180, Ford Fiesta, Bond Equipe 2-Litre GT, Mazda R360 Coupe, Nissan CSP-311 Silvia. PAST: Bellett 1600GT
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I have a Hino 900 Sprint brochure here, but I think they upsized to a 1300 Sprint eventually as well? The Hino I wished they'd always made in series was Pete Brock's Samurai!
I thought there was a few Prince Skyline Sprint pics out there (I posted one on the Aussie Frogs forum once, maroon in colour), it was one of a series of very similar cars Ghia produced, the others being Renault based.
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Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:45 am |
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Glenn
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 2:23 am Posts: 2823 Location: Melb.
Car(s): '72 Sport Bellett (imported 180912), M/B AMG A35, i30, had Belletts in past, 2 sed, 3 GT's.
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dave wrote: OOOHhhhhh so timely, I've been working on an article for Garage of Awesome about three Japanese sports coupes that should have been made in numbers... and weren't!
I've finished the first entry; the Hino Contessa 900 Sprint, the second section was going to be on the Bellett MX1600 and the third section on the Prince Skyline 1900 Sprint, but there aren't many pics of it across the Internet.
And then this came up! CHEERS!
Don't hold your breath on the article though!
Dave Glad to help Dave ! This came out of the blue really. I am an Amatuer Radio operator and mention Bellett to a guy I was talking to on the Radio and he sent me the article. glenn
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Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:36 am |
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dave
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:15 am Posts: 1991
Car(s): 1965 Wasp, 1966 Bellett, 1967 Bellett, 1969 Florian, 1973 Bellett GTR, 1976 Buick Opel by Isuzu, 1978 Gemini van
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Criminy; small world!!
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:15 am |
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PR91
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:54 am Posts: 2544
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Isuzu Bellett with a rotary engine...? well it's time to sell up and move on to something else, because while i luv my Bellett's. i HATE those god damn engines!
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:13 am |
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Glenn
Joined: Tue May 10, 2011 2:23 am Posts: 2823 Location: Melb.
Car(s): '72 Sport Bellett (imported 180912), M/B AMG A35, i30, had Belletts in past, 2 sed, 3 GT's.
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PR91 wrote: Isuzu Bellett with a rotary engine...? well it's time to sell up and move on to something else, because while i luv my Bellett's. i HATE those god damn engines! Guess Mr Isuzu came to his senses also
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:26 am |
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PR91
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:54 am Posts: 2544
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absolutely mate! bless him.
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:46 am |
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gt orphanage
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:23 am Posts: 1816
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I now have the pages regarding the rotary engine the first design was late 50s. The engine was tested at 5000rpm with a top speed of 200kph. Word of the invention was leaked to Isuzu and in 1958 Isuzu offered 20 million yen for the technology. The deal went wrong when Nishimura asked wether Isuzu could do whatever they liked with the they liked with the purchased technology and if it could be sold to a foreign company this sent the meeting silent. This was the beginning of the end to a Isuzu rotary. Nishimura was later approached by mazda in the 1960s bought a rotary design from nsu in Germany mazda had a article talking of the release of a rotary engine and nishimura advised they will have problems this caused mazda to believe he had stolen the design. nishimura's design was proven to be well before mazda and nishimura later helped mazda with advise. This is a basic of the article from a book called [The bone man of kokoda] the story is based on a Japanese soldier that returned to kokoda to return the bones of fellow soldiers to Japan. I will bring a copy of the pages to the nats. Thanks Glenn
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